Inaki

150 is hardly a legion....

Also, what are they protesting again? I honestly cannot figure out what the goal is.

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um ya read up a bit more =P Basically its a worldwide protest of scientology, set to go off at 11AM local time for each region. about 200 in Sydney, 1 in Tokyo, almost 2000 in London, and the protests have just reached the west coast.

Its B-tards doing something useful for once.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology

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But... what is the goal? Realistically, is there anything they can accomplish?

Is this a party or is it a legitimate protest?

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Do you think that sending blank faxes, showing up at centers in masks, ordering pizzas, DDoS attacks, and making fun of Tom Cruise will bring the church to its knees?

Does this get the attention of the IRS?

To what end is any of this?

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Well, for one, it's for the lulz. It's to watch the reactions of people. Already, many of them are quite humorous.

Why does it need so much justification for you? Why do you have to be impressed with it?

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Showing up in droves in front of someone's church with the stated goal of eradicating their belief system from the face of the earth isn't a real yuk-fest, imo.

I also don't think the Chinese government suppressing Fulan Gong is a lolicopter, so I'm one of those buzzkill assholes you hear so much about.

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Belief system? It's a Science Fiction novel. You are required to pay money to do anything there. They actively persecute anyone who tries to point this out. They brought it on themselves, really.

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Its not so much an attack on religion as it is an attack on a cult. I'm all for free-thought/free-choice when it comes to religion. Scientology isn't so much a religion as it is, at best a thinly veiled pyramid scam, and at worst taking on intimidation tactics usually seen in organized crime.

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Are you the arbiter of such things? Am I? Are these people forced into this scheme, or do they choose to be part of it?

If someone told you they actually believed it, would you trust them, or is it all so silly that you wouldn't?

Is it a cult? Well, that's a charged word... so often a cult is small religion that other people don't like. Was Mormonism in its infancy a cult, a religion, or a scheme run by a madman? It's pretty hard to tell... after all, I'm not a Mormon, so who knows.

For the record, I'm not a fan of how the Church operates, but I've seen some evidence that people do legitimately believe in their teachings.

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http://www.religioustolerance.org/scientol1.htm

First off, Scientology, as practiced, has NOTHING to do with a science fiction novel. So yeah, you might want to learn about them (in their own words) before you continue.

Second, you are required to pay money for a service. In my opinion, the service does nothing. Also, in my opinion, atheists are dead wrong, hard cider is revolting, and Hatebreed is a terrible band. No matter what my opinion is, that doesn't stop people from watching cable access atheist gutbags, drinking hard cider, or listening to Hatebreed.

If people are willing to pay for it, who am I to say that they can't visit an auditor? People visit psychics, and they get paid... where's the outrage over that?

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The reason I don't get bent out of shape about Scientology is that there's far mre powerful organizations (Focus of the Family anyone?)to worry about, and more damaging health beliefs that are out there. Scientology is powerful for what they are, but what they really are is sue-happy with a lot of money. It is a pyramid scam, but this is America! Those are everywhere. Multi-level marketing is something you can't get away from here. Their health-related quackery is less damaging that the stuff we find in stores every day. More people are trusting quackery like colloidal silver, houdia, or other various naturopathic nonsense than all the Scientologists in the world.

The real reason Anonymous will never toplle Scientology is because it's a good business model. Run a sketchy business as a church. Presto! Tax free income. All the protesting in the world won't change the fact that they're making tremendous amounts of money. If Anonymous had a million members, who spent 40 hours a week trying to protest Scientology, in person and online, it'd still be a drop in the bucket. They have an unbelievably lucrative sweetheart deal going. Most Scientologists aren't even using the internet to communicate with the group, they do it in person. So shutting down their web servers wouldn't accomplish anything. It seems like all Anonymous has actually managed to do, is harrass innocent people because they're not very good at figuring out where to do their DDOS attacks. So some poor guys' web business goes down and he gets a crazy bill because b-tards don't doublecheck their intelligence.

If you want to truly "harrass" Scientology, you need to lobby congress to take away their tax-exempt status. There are members of congress who are investigating mega-churches that are abusing their tax-exempt status. Once a democrat gets into office, it'll be easier for them to continue to investigate. It's not an easy or quick process, like anything worth doing legally, it takes a long time. But it worked for Germany!

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Hatebreed. D:

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Scientology, as practiced, *was* written by L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction author. His books on the subject were initially works of science fiction. There are copies of several of his books on the subject in the house I currently reside in, left by a former tennant; they are very much science fiction.

You are required to pay money for a service, true. I do not, however, expect a religion to charge, as a self-proclaimed non-profit organization. The moment it charges a definite fee for these things, it ceases to be such. People visit psychics, and they get paid; phychics are not a self-proclaimed organized religion. That's why I feel nothing towards that end.

I understand you don't agree with that; that's fine. You are indeed entitled to disagree. I, too, am entitled to disagree with a "religion".

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Psychics don't kill people.

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

http://whyaretheydead.net/

There's the outrage.

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http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

http://whyaretheydead.net/

Seems to be pretty unhealthy to me if people go to their "church" and can't come out alive.

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Their goal is to spread knowledge to the public about what really goes on in this church, to avoid gullable/naive/unknowing folks getting sucked in by something that sounds good, but is potentially deadly.

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L. Ron Hubbard was indeed an author, and at one point in his career he wrote science fiction. He was also in the navy. Does that mean his books are also about boats?

Also, are science fiction books not permitted to contain any sort of philosophical content? True, prior to Dianetics, there was a philosophical tone to some of Hubbard's work... but I fail to see how that invalidates his later work?

Okay, so let's review... these are the core books of Scientology...

Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health
Dianetics: The Evolution of a Science
Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought
The Problems of Work
Self Analysis
Handbook for Preclears
Scientology: A New Slant on Life
The Way to Happiness

Whew! Okay, which ones have you read and which ones are science fiction?

"I do not, however, expect a religion to charge, as a self-proclaimed non-profit organization."

I work for a non-profit and I expect to be paid. "Non-profit" doesn't mean "charity".

Anyway, churches charge for their services. You want a priest to marry you? You pay.

YES! WOW!

You pay a priest to marry you! Call 4chan and stop this outrage!

And yeah, you're entitled to disagree. You're also entitled to call black people 'niggers', it doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.

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"Psychics don't kill people."

They sure do!

Psychic surgery anyone?

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Well then, I'll add "Psychic surgeons" to my list of people who need to be shut the hell up. What I was speaking of are the tarot-reading, palm-scouring, future-telling psychics that are in and of themselves harmless.

Are you not outraged when you hear of people being suckered in only to be murdered?

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Why not spread information rather than DDoS attacks and OPERATION BLACK FAX?

Also, some of the information they spread is misleading.

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mharpold8.livejournal.com

They were indeed pretty terrible in the 70's, I'm pretty sure in 2008, they're not kidnapping people and murdering them. ;-)

But really, nobody tops the Catholic Church for skeletons in the closet! And nobody's trying to H@X0R the Va7IC@N.

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I think this person is only outraged when people question a status quo.

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Oh? Show me the "misleading" information, please. I am doing my part by making sure people do their research, see the numbers dead and the sheer amount of time the scientologists spend covering up their lies.

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