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[Poll #1035741]

(All answers welcome. Be brutally honest. Feel free to discuss in comments.)

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[pinkdino.livejournal.com]

or even... DA resetting itself :D

[pinkdino.livejournal.com]

also, i agree with doodles

[sirfox.livejournal.com]

i'd have to join, first.

[ltstorm.livejournal.com]

Seconded.

[armaina.livejournal.com]

For the people talking about alternatives, I keep hearing about Furry Art Pile, which I hear is a really nice. It allows porn and non porn.

I've browsed through it a bit, the interface is really nice.. kinda considering getting a spot there.

[its-a-trap.livejournal.com]

FAP is very nice but it lacks a sort of closeness and community. People don't seem to leave very much feedback unless someone's SUPER POPULAR, though it's getting better.

[dv-girl.livejournal.com]

Similar features (comments, journals, animation uploads, etc)

Allowance for porn and some non-furry art.

An audience (I'm shallow).

And here's the true winner: Some kind of quality controls. Be that Moderation OR ratings with filtering so I could say, "Show me new work by good artists." or "Show me pieces that have been rated in the top 20%." or: "Show me stuff that no one has rated yet."

The problem with a rating system is that it can be used for grief and conflict so I'd say it'd probably need to be registered accounts only but no one can see the individual ratings that someone gave. Just 'N ratings, average score of P'

Also, the artist should have the ability to block ratings from an individual. It'd also be nice if viewers could say, "Don't count ratings from person X" although that gets into data storage problems. If you just keep ratings, you can keep just a float and an int for (current value) and (number of votes) to average new ratings into the score. It eliminates potential risk that someone might get into your data and say, "Oooh! Bob always votes -50 against Ted." So the blocking options probably really aren't that useful.

Oh! Lastly a sieve so you can say, "I want to see ANYTHING by this artist." or , "I never want to see anything by that artist."

Extrapolating a little, you could also implement some kind of system where if an artist gets way more positive ratings on some piece than they have on average for all their other work it gets mini-featured somewhere. Probably not front-page, but somewhere reasonably accessible. That'd be a cool feature for just seeing, "What's hot and new"

Anyhow... I bet it's not just me. I bet LOTS of people would appreciate not having to dig through fifty pages of badly-drawn hedgehogs on lined paper to find one interesting piece.

[iankeith.livejournal.com]

Me, i would not want to see a rating system. Why? Art is art, it's not a competition. I don't want people bragging about being in the top x% of artists. This, of course, coming from a terrible artist who really only sketches and would garner ratings of 0 to 2 all the time. But still, I don't need people to tell me I suck, and a ratings system really would only bring drama.

[hrafnakisa.livejournal.com]

I've already left :P

[demonvaska.livejournal.com]

If you're asking how to beat FA, the answer is:

1. General features such as Watch, Favorite, etc.
2. Forum. They're worthless but popular.
3. Slick interface; it's the best way of attracting users.
4. Advertising campaign. You have to overcome the inertia and get people to sign up with the new/existing service and leave FA. That means you have to do everything better then FA, you also need to talk to the FA stars personally and ask what they want, work to get them to your service.

[kitsumi.livejournal.com]

Really good points. :O

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

An 'I don't want to see 'blah' tagged art filter system that works.

[sixshades.livejournal.com]

That relies on artists correctly and thoroughly tagging everything they submit, which will never happen with enough reliability that a filter system will "actually work" and will only wind up being annoying when you want to submit things.

[kitsumi.livejournal.com]

To be honest, I only use FA to let people know what cons I'm attending, or if I'm running any auctions. Also, to see what pieces of mine are popular (I base print runs and some products off of these- but the numbers aren't always good predictions as to what people will *buy*). I don't use *any* of their other features. I don't go near the forums, I'm not really interested in the music/photography, journals aren't too interesting to me unless they're art-related. I don't even browse their recents (I watch folks through other people's watchlists). I get some business through FA, but not too much I don't think.

[tracerj.livejournal.com]

Just 'cause it's a convenient place to dump it, I had an idea for the eventual music and video (and other temporally-wide media) sites.

FurAffinity problem: If I'm listening to a piece of music and want to comment or browse further without interrupting the track playback, I have to open it in another window. That's no good. Instead, it'd be rockin' to have the playback occur in a separate horizontal frame (you know, for the timebar and controls and an actual TIME READOUT and a link to click back to the piece's actual page) independent of any other browsing.

[shabm.livejournal.com]

When it comes to music, I'd just like for FA's layout to make the row tall enough to show the full control...

[shabm.livejournal.com]

If FA lost the adult filtering -- that's the reason I joined in the first place.

If FA pulled a Deviant/Sheezy and declared they owned our art.

If FA continues the arbitrary and senseless/pointless restrictions on 'acceptable uploads.' (Ones like the 10MB limit aren't senseless. Not being allowed to have more than three pictures of one character at a time, or not being allowed to post SL screenshots that take hours or days of coding and modelling to complete while allowing quick OC sketches that were finished in 5-10 minutes, those are senseless.)

If a version of FA with functional search/filtering, or without the silly restrictions, or with the ability to categorize our favorites and our galleries came into existance.

If trolls began to come to FA again and the moderation continued to deny us certain basic self-moderation tools (requiring mod intervention to delete abusive comments in our own galleries, f'rex).

If FA started using pop-up or pop-under advertisements. (Inline advertisements are okay if not obnoxious, and you can already see where they're planning to put them -- the entire HOMG VISIT FA UNITED ad that was on our pages for several months.)

If FA stopped working in Internet Explorer. Yeah, there are many browsers like IE. But none of them are the browser I use.

If FA's code went open-source. FA has enough security issues without handing trolls the keys and a detailed map.

Well, that's the causes I can think of off-hand.

[armaina.livejournal.com]

"If FA pulled a Deviant/Sheezy and declared they owned our art."
*sigh*
DA does not 'own' your art
they only 'own' the rights to be able to make, thumbnails, and possibly advertisements in the form of 'hey look at the stuff on DA'
They cannot use your art in the realm of:
Prints, shrits, hats, ect unless you actually use the print service, OR you submitted your design to DA for use on their shirts and hats and they use it, which requires another set of terms to agree to.

-all- art galleries have that sort of 'clause' in the agreement, or else they would not be legally able to make thumbnails for the galleries.

[dustwing.livejournal.com]

If you decide to let humans or humanoids on FA...please let me check a box to not see them. This includes Nekos and stuff, even if they have a sorta bestial nose.

[shabm.livejournal.com]

They're already permitted.

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Judging from the history of these things, "FA dying" is what the real answer is. ArtSpots got a good response because Yerf died and Dingo botched the resurrection badly.

I still need to get around to uploading stuff to Yiffit! I have so little dirty stuff and so many other things needing my time that it's just fallen off my to-do list; all my art effort since it started has pretty much been either non-furry or working on my comic book...

[thrivis.livejournal.com]

I'm a little confused. :o

Is this asking what's wrong with FurAffinity that would make one want to leave? Or is it asking what another archive could have to beat FA?

Reasons for leaving somewhere can be different from reasons to go somewhere else. Responses to this poll seem to talk about both. Just wondering what direction is supposed to be taken.

For me to leave FA, my friends would have to go somewhere else or feedback between me and other folks would have to disappear. I get some nice attention at FA, and it's nice but... I guess it won't be the right kind of attention for long. Might leave soon and spend my energy at communities that are more focused on critical feedback.

For me to go somewhere else, that somewhere else would have to have the same adult screening system where you have to be logged in to view over-rated work. And I would like a place that's both furry and anime, and not so bent on one or the other. Some quality control would be nice as well, to stem the "myspace" spurts of "LOOK AT MEEE" photos. It'd be an art gallery, not a makeshift photo album. >_> Photos can be art, but photos are too often blog-waste. They should go in scraps along with sketches if they achieve little or no artistic value, I say. :|

[orbyss.livejournal.com]

Considering I'm merely on there to showcase art that is pretty much non-furry to water down the horrid furry that goes on there and to prove a point that some people don't live exclusively in fantasies in their heads, opting instead to hang out in the 'real world,' I don't really care much and thus can't see actually 'leaving'. A ban would suffice to make me leave, and I certainly wouldn't care enough to try to rejoin.

Internet's important looool [to furries].

[heavymuffins.livejournal.com]

I think the site shutting down, lol.


i like FA otherwise.

besides the usual gripes

[strayd0g.livejournal.com]

It would take a lot for me to fully leave FA, but I think either doing away with filters (for fetishes) or never implementing them would be one of the reasons. I do NOT want to see 'cub porn', 'scat', or fetishes thereof and would like to be able to set a filter so I don't have to.

Thankfully, the filters are supposed to be in the works, but if they decided to not include them (and still allow cub porn), then I would find another gallery to post at.

[monogato.livejournal.com]

Overabundance of cub porn and other odd fetishes, allowance of too many policy-breaking submissions without the batting of an admin eyelash and/or overall community DUH.

Oh, wait...

[captainsaicin.livejournal.com]

TIME PARADOX

[squnq.livejournal.com]

Nothing, I intentionally got myself banned and am so sick and tired of furry art archives that I actively refuse to use any of them. They are all shit, and they serve to do nothing but glorify mediocrity and undervalue true artistic talent, hence why most of the best artists in the fandom tend to stop serving it after a while, and most of the most popular artists in the fandom produce work that wouldn't buy them a cup of coffee in the greater world of gallery or commercial art.

[captainsaicin.livejournal.com]

you know, IMO, this goes for most of the non-furry art sites too.

Yeah, I'm talking about dA.

I have yet to come across a system that is built to appreciate art for its artistic value, and not the popularity of the artist. That is the greatest downfall of them all...

Yet, it could be done - it is possible, and I even know how... it's just the implementation that stands in the way, and the fact that no administration really cares.

This could change... whether it will or not remains to be seen, but any site has the potential to be the first there, and furry sites are no exception to that.

[swordianmaster.livejournal.com]

Eh, FA may be a good art site, but if I wanted to look at clean art, I can do that without an account - and with some artists I can do it on DA anyway.

FurAffinity membership to me is just another way to get the rocks off, like FChan and lulz.net.

[take-walker.livejournal.com]

At this point, I like FA too much to leave. It serves my purposes for the moment, and I'm doing my best to give back and leave my mark on the community. They would have to pull a LOT of seriously STUPID SHIT to make me not want to be there anymore.

And then I'd just have nowhere to go, because I'm not an artist.

[captainsaicin.livejournal.com]

I want a time machine.

That doesn't really have anything to do with leaving FA, but I want one anyway.

Then I could make the time to hang out on other sites without all the pointless lurking.

[captainsaicin.livejournal.com]

1) a good tagged rating/karma-based browsing and filtering system (with customizable options). Should be able to filter content with unwanted tags, and be enforceable (moderated tagging to ensure it doesn't slip by content filters - tags like 'rape', 'gore' etc. being mandatory)
2) categories and subsections for art that make sense and aren't restrictive of content.
3) reasonable and prudent restrictions on allowable content (no CP, underage)

[centauress.livejournal.com]

Who decides on allowable content?

[scale.livejournal.com]

As written in my answer, no way. No other furry site has even a hint of the variety of stuff found on FA, and I care about seeing variety more than anything else. Yep, even more than I care to see quality.

All the flaws which have been listed - drama, cub porn, technical issues - look pretty weak points to me. Drama etc. only exists to be ignored, and so far I have never seen serious technical problems. Even if it cannot be up 24/7 I definitely think the overall value of the archive makes up for it.

[weavermage.livejournal.com]

For me to leave FA?

Eh, nothing really, I don't need a reason to leave. It's just a place to upload my porn port-folio with comments for critique.
Commissions stop, I find a better site, I get an income good enough not to need commissions...all those means I won't need to go on there any more.
Don't need to go there now really. hm. -shrug-

[silver-r-wolfe.livejournal.com]

What will it take for me to leave FA? I dunno. It would probably have to go belly up.

That being said, I want filters that work.