Inaki

"...not producing anything useful or informative."

Hey, I informed people about the McPherson case. It ain't my fault y'all decided not to listen.

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Probably not 150. There ain't much more I can say.

I tried my damnedest, but everyone seems to be hell-bent on blaming the Church of Scientology for every accidental death in the last 40 years, global warming, the housing crisis, and the cancellation of Arrested Development.

It ain't that I like it, it's that I think the facts matter.

Anyway, I hope y'all have your fill with this soon so you can go protest the war or something.

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loiosh-de-talto.livejournal.com

4/12: Operation Reconnect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhd325tj-KA

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Hopefully this next 'operation' will adopt a higher standard for honesty.

Did you guys know that yesterday was a worldwide protest against the war in Iraq? Not enough lolz to be found in protesting thousands of deaths?

Also, that 'Operation Reconnect' website is goddamn cringe-inducing.

Mudkips? Check. Jargon seemingly lifted from The Matrix? Check.

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To Answer: Yes, Anonymous is Not Your Personal Army and yes.

=)

And that's all I have to say.

4/12: Operation Reconnect

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Well, have fun with that.

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Please die in a fire. :)

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oh shit are you gonna rickroll me? (because that would make me cry)

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Nah, why would I want to do that?

That would involve further instigation of someone who obviously just wants to pick fights.

OH SHI- It's happening anyway. :o

Please see my original comment. :3

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Mudkips. Really?

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I was actually hoping we could learn something, and you know, not all agree like drones and nod our heads because some fuck in front of a computer told us to.

Nevermind. Go eat your Chili Cheese Fritos and continue to take up (a lot of) space.

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I think I'm turning into a yuppie. I suddenly have this urge to go to Trader Vics.

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I have yet to see a single bit of useful cited information proving or disproving either side come from you. There are a thousand sources I could cite for you to look into for further information. If you really cared to learn more, you'd have already done so.

I will continue to eat Sushi and take up the amount of space one would assume a 6'5" tall person would require. Good day to you. :3

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Jesus fuck you're dense. Read the original thread, Double-Stuf. You're a goddamn furry, all you have is time to read internet shit.

http://inaki.livejournal.com/233854.html?thread=1018494#t1018494
http://inaki.livejournal.com/233854.html?thread=1044094#t1044094

Read the opinion of forensic experts. Read the court documents. Read the rulings. Fuck man, read ANYTHING.

http://www.holysmoke.org/lm/33.htm
Transcript from a press conference regarding forensic findings regarding the McPherson case, located on a site which is highly critical of Scientology.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/022300/TampaBay/Church_member_s_death.shtml
Information summarized by St. Petersburg times concerning the medical examiner changing her results after pathologists investigate. Also read about the lack of ketones in her blood. If you need to (you do), wiki the shit out of ketones and smart-up while you sit-down.

There was also some contention that she was "held against her will", which would've prompted a kidnapping (false imprisonment plus asportation) charge against the church. This was not the case. While we're wiki'n, let's take a look at some criminal law entries so we can get a glimpse at how the systme works, 'cause y'all don't know actus reus from Reese's Pieces.

So there. Please, feel free to ignore all of that and continue with your regularly scheduled self-absorbed myopic faggotry.

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I have yet to see a single bit of useful cited information proving or disproving either side come from you.

We have Michael Baden on our side, dismissing out of hand one of the cornerstone canards of the rabid anti-Scientology crowd, that Scientology purpotedly "murdered" Lisa McPherson. The supposed sources I was cited were internet cranks with no evidence that would make Gene Ray blush. A website by itself is not a source. Expert testimony from one of the foremost forensic pathologists in the world, THAT is a source. That's but one bit of our useful cited information.

The problem is, your ego is invested in hating on Scientology to the point that you'll believe obvious falsehoods to justify your hatred. I don't think you'll change your mind, they're far too easy a target to resist bashing. Scientology as an organization is suspicious and almost certainly underhanded. But this childish piffle about how they're a cabal of killers and torturers? It'd make a good Movie of the Week, but that's about it.

Really, if you have "yet to see a single bit of useful cited information" from us, it's simply because you didn't read what we wrote or read what we cited. The truth wasn't what you wanted to hear, so you, like so many others, chose to ignore it.

You're probably not that interested in politics, so I don't expect you to dig into (to pick a few topics out of the air) the mortgage crisis, Pat Robertson's influence with dictators in Africa, or what's going on in New Orleans. But just know that there are a hundred thousand things more evil in this country that are deserving of your attention than the Church of Scientology.

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I'm seeing a lot of copied and pasted text in Livejournal comments, but no links of any consequence in either of the threads you linked above. I can write things that look like honest news articles, too!

So, whenever you're done bashing on me for questioning your sources, perhaps we could make this discussion civil? :)

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I like to keep up on Politics as much as possible. There is something the Mortgage crisis, Pat Robertson, and New Orleans all have in common: I can't do anything about them. There aren't movements to fix these things that I can literally walk down the street to join.

I understand that these things are of more consequence to you then the church is, and that Michael Baden dismissed the Lisa McPherson thing, but that's one of many, many things the church has done that's so incredibly wrong. I want one thing changed in my vision- I want to see their tax exempt status removed. If that happened, I would be happy, as they should not have it according to the federal law, anyway.

I've spoken with a woman who was once heavily involved in the church of Scientology. She spoke about how the church insisted she give them all their money- that she alienate her family when they tell her she's following a terrible path, that she divorce her husband when he tells her she has to choose between him and the church. The church ruined her life, and it took court hearings over the denial of visitations to her son to make her realize it. There are plenty of these stories online as well.

There's a lot more to Scientology then Lisa McPherson. I've seen enough evidence to know this is a cause that's worthy of my time and respect- especially when it's in my own back yard.

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There is something the Mortgage crisis, Pat Robertson, and New Orleans all have in common: I can't do anything about them.

You can vote, and you can explain your position to other people who vote. You can help get people into office who are more amenable to changing things. You can donate to Mercy Corps, or other charities. You can make the decision to stop adding to the dumbing down of discourse. Personally, I think this Anomymous schtick is already losing steam, and in a year, it'll just be last year's fad. But if you got everyone who was talking about this to toss five bucks in the mail to a charity, that'd be FAR more productive than showing up in costume on Hubbard's birthday "for the lulz". Which is the same day as the International Iraq protest, I might add, which was its own brand of insulting, myopic internet idiocy.

...but that's one of many, many things the church has done that's so incredibly wrong. I want one thing changed in my vision- I want to see their tax exempt status removed. If that happened, I would be happy, as they should not have it according to the federal law, anyway.

The Church is bad the way most corporations are bad, bad the way all politicians are bad. That's not illegal. "WRONG" is something so incredibly subjective. You can't prosecute "wrong". A protest won't make people give up their community and what they believe in, and no matter how much you hate the CoS, there are people who are NOT crazy who actually believe in the CoS. Their friends are there, their family is there, they're part of that community, and a dozen guys in masks with boom boxes are not going to convince them of anything expect that there are annoying kids outside with too much time on their hands.

I've spoken with a woman who was once heavily involved in the church of Scientology. She spoke about how the church insisted she give them all their money- that she alienate her family when they tell her she's following a terrible path, that she divorce her husband when he tells her she has to choose between him and the church. The church ruined her life, and it took court hearings over the denial of visitations to her son to make her realize it. There are plenty of these stories online as well.

You know what? Other churches do that as well. A good friend of mine was forced out of his Presybeterian church and smeared because he wasn't conservative enough when a new pastor came in. The busybody at the PTA who attacked one of my favorite teachers because he was gay. This shit happens every day, all across the country. it's human nature. THe CoS does wield influence, and they will attack people who would confront them with whatever is available to them. That isn't illegal. Visitation rights are something that all divorcees hold over each others' heads. Happens every day. People alienate each other. Half my extended family has alienated the other for for less significant reasons. If the Church is guilty of actual crimes, then that's one thing. But time and again, I look for evidence, and there's no evidence of actual crimes, there are just stories of people who were leaned on and intimidated and sued. It's legal to sue people! It's legal to be a dick to someone. That's our system. You think that doesn't happen in every Fortune 500 corporation on earth? In every congressional district?

There's a lot more to Scientology then Lisa McPherson. I've seen enough evidence to know this is a cause that's worthy of my time and respect- especially when it's in my own back yard.

There's no there there. There's anecdotes of them making life crappy for some people. I'd rather spend my time worrying about (and donating money to) causes that are more significant. Issues of housing, issues of systemic corruption, issues of health, and issues of war. There are issues in your own back yard that are more deserving of your time.

Bt if you still want to stick it to the CoS? The only way to do it would be to get a congressman in office (or lobby one who's already there) who is predisposed to going after church corruption. And maybe they can get an investigation started. You'll get nowhere by these silly and meaningless "protests". They're just parties for nerds who don't want to think about sterner stuff.

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Did you reads the other links? :-0 You act like they aren't even D-: there. :-3.

Look, I tried being civil, and then you went meme-emoticon nutty on me. I'll ask you again, like I've asked a million times, did the Church of Scientology 'kill' Lisa McPherson? The court, even the state attorney, disagrees with that, yet it is a central claim in the Anon complaint against the CoS.

You know, I'm not even a fan of the CoS, but y'all are making me take their side. It'd be one thing if reasoned, rational arguments against their status were given, but all I see is a bunch of nerd who want to cosplay protesting thumbing their own asses and trying to get some yukks. You're bullies. You found the most fringy and disliked religious organization in America, convinced yourself that they're actually REAL POWERFUL, and then engaged in a few rounds of mutual dick-sucking.

You said this to Matt, and it was pretty telling,

"There aren't movements to fix these things that I can literally walk down the street to join."

So, we can see a couple interesting things in this defense of slothfulness.

First, changing things isn't as important as sitting on your ass and having more time for internets. You care in proportion to convenience. This not only means you'll never do a damn thing to hurt the CoS (it'll eventually become difficult), it also means you don't really care about activism.

Second, it means you're myopic. There was a worldwide protest against the occupation of Iraq last Saturday, so you could've walked down the street and joined something important. You just pick on Scientology because it's easy to make fun of them. Iraq is scary, so you don't bother.

"So, whenever you're done bashing on me for questioning your sources"

Dude, court documents that you just assert don't exist, forensic evidence, newspaper articles following the case... You're not questioning, you're ignoring.

So yeah, when you start acting like an intelligent person I'll start treating you like one. For now, we'll stick to fat jokes, and maybe some dig about how you don't pass. I like those (for some reason I end up fighting with transgender folks all the damn time. Only one of them passes (and passes well!), so I've collected a serious war-chest of puns and put-downs.)

From another thread,

"That's what killed Bear Sterns- rumors that made people assume a small fuckup was much bigger then it really was."

Do you know what offends me? Stupid people acting smart. It makes me mad when people don't call 'em on their shit.

I thought this example should entertain anyone who has even a passing knowledge of the mortgage crisis and how it can spin companies with large investments in CDOs. A 'small fuckup' gave rise to a liquidity problem, not to mention tow hedge funds going tits up because of investments in rotten paper.

Just... goddamn. You just type shit and don't even wiki it. That's why I have a hard time accepting your histrionic claims about CoS, because you have no evidence. It's incumbent on you to provide proof of their crimes, not on me to find proof of their innocence of crimes they were never charged with.

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It's funny how you're so quick to scream at me as if I'm the source of the problem at hand. I wasn't even at the last protest, I just think it's a neat idea.

Do you know what offends me? Pretty much nothing. And I know what pisses you off more then anything is my refusal to care about what you have to say. Or perhaps the following words:

None of the things you've said so far have any real basis of fact, and there's nothing you can do to prove your point. You're just blasting hot air.

How's that? :D

I can bait you alllll day. :3

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1) I do vote, and I do explain my positions to other people who vote.

2) There's something to be said for an organization that had to infiltrate the IRS to gain tax exemption (Pardon the lack of reference material, the CoS has a legal department committed to ensuring no examples of their mistakes are made available to the public). Furthermore, I wasn't even a part of the last protest.

3) There are many religions that do this, but none so frequently as Scientology in my (admittedly little) experience in the matter.

4) You fight your battles, and I'll fight mine. What is a worthy cause to some is worthless to others- it all comes down to personal beliefs and opinions.

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"None of the things you've said so far have any real basis of fact, and there's nothing you can do to prove your point."

So you're not a nasty looking, sphereheaded, faux-tranny furry?

Look man, I was in that hotel room, and I know what I saw!

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And you obviously have nothing better to do with your life then continue to try your best at tormenting me with petty bullshit.

C'mon. You can do better then that. :3

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